Even the best rides come to an end

On Monday, Kelsey Hightower announced his retirement from Google. On Tuesday, he sat down with us to discuss why, how & what’s next.

Along the way, Kelsey teaches us how not to suck at work, analyzes his magical demos, fights off the haters (again) & opines on System Initiative, Dagger & 37Signals moving off the cloud.

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Featuring:

• Kelsey Hightower – Twitter, GitHub
• Jerod Santo – Mastodon, Twitter, GitHub, LinkedIn
• Adam Stacoviak – Mastodon, Twitter, GitHub, LinkedIn, Website

Show Notes:

• “Today I’m announcing my retirement from Google.”
• Not Everyone Can Be Kelsey Hightower - Greg Poirier - YouTube
• Rebuilding DevOps from the ground up with Adam Jacob
• Why we’re leaving the cloud
• We have left the cloud
• MRSK — Deploy web apps anywhere
• Two decades as a solo indie Mac dev with Jesse Grosjean
• btop on GitHub
• Dagger

Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Timestamps:

(00:00) - Let's talk!
(00:38) - Kelsey needs royalties
(01:39) - The shirt off Jerod's back
(02:38) - Kelsey's announcement
(04:02) - Buying your time back
(05:27) - Not a midlife crisis
(07:34) - Retirement takes prep
(09:19) - What the runway looks like
(10:53) - We're glad you're here
(11:24) - What's true retirement?
(12:40) - Vacation time?
(14:01) - r/TVTooHigh
(20:13) - Sponsor: Changelog News
(21:46) - How to not suck
(27:05) - Magical demos
(30:36) - Anti-happy path crowd
(33:04) - Just that good
(36:24) - Casting vision
(38:34) - Problems & solutions
(40:19) - The best macOS release
(41:04) - On System Initiative
(48:56) - The network effect
(50:02) - What happened to CoreOS?
(52:41) - On 37Signals' move
(1:01:33) - MRSK: what is this?
(1:04:09) - Lightweight versions FTW
(1:05:48) - Shave the cruft
(1:06:52) - Return to the 1.0
(1:09:55) - Thoughts on Dagger
(1:15:51) - What is Dagger really?
(1:17:05) - Goal is to be removed
(1:19:32) - The DevOps end game
(1:22:51) - Kelsey's unpop
(1:27:23) - Bye friends!
(1:27:55) - Coming up next

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